If the breed is a dog, in our case pointer, bred in the UK, but more than one generation of hunters has bred it in another country, in Italy, how to relate to the exterior and other differences that are inevitable in this case in other dog stats in different countries?
This problem is also encountered by Russian hunters. English cops have been bred in Russia for more than a century and a half, and during this time, under the influence of different natural and climatic conditions, as well as different hunting traditions, they externally noticeably deviated from their counterparts in their historical homeland. This is clearly seen when comparing Russian and English standards.
In Italy, as in Russia, hunters keep pointers mainly, therefore, the exterior characteristics of the breed here are not determined by show fashion, but by the real requirements for hunting conditions with the dogs.
What exactly is the difference between the pointers of Italy and England? This is discussed in the pages of the Italian magazine I Nostri Cani ("Our Dogs") by its regular author Domenico Tricomi. He writes: “In England, in the homeland of the pointer, there is a very clear division of the breed into show and field dogs with all the ensuing consequences in terms of complexity; in Italy, the pointers are of the same type. Moreover, when you look at the Italian pointer you can immediately see that he differs from both English varieties in a lighter and more elegant addition, smooth, without sharp features, head contours, narrower in the cheekbones and with a smoother transition from forehead to muzzle, slightly upturned muzzle, higher set and shorter E ears distinctly triangular shape, smoother-edged lips in profile.
English pointers have a more voluminous head with a long cranial part and more prominent lines, the body is more massive and powerful. The growth of the pointer in England is 63-69 cm for males, 61-66 cm for females. In Italy, this indicator is 55-62 cm for males and 55-60 cm for females. According to the Italian standard, the width of the cranial part of the pointer should be somewhat less than half the length from the nose to the occipital tubercle (9/10), in English - the width of the head is equal to half its length.
The lighter and smaller “Italian” pointers are easier to jump into a quarry, it is easier to change the direction of movement at a gallop, it can maintain good speed longer during a search. For a taller and heavier "English" pointer, the gallop is wider and more stable, but not too fast.
So, if we compare two pointers from England and Italy (the largest standard male English dog with the smallest Italian female), then with a difference in height of 14 cm it is difficult to agree that they are dogs of the same breed. Well, the breed is adapting to the conditions of its use. While breeders are more interested in the show successes of their dogs in the homeland of the pointer, and these successes depend on the expressiveness of their appearance, in Italy it is mainly hunters who breed dogs based on the practical purposes of their use in hunting. "
Russian hunters in many ways, apparently, agree with the Italian author. By the way, in Europe, Italian pointers are rated very high and often act as breed improvers in other countries.
Olga Mischikha, Hunting and hunting dogs N 7 - 1996
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When did the ancestors of the Italian marriage appear?
Representatives of the breed - one of the oldest gun dogs in the world, and perhaps it is the oldest of all dogs of this type. Since this variety was already developed many centuries before the first written notes on dog breeding (or something else like that) began to be made, then almost nothing is known about it and it is impossible to speak with certainty and accuracy about its pedigree.
Dozens of different breeds were considered as potential alleged progenitors of the Italian marriage. And, here are estimates of the dating of the removal of this gundog that range from the 5th century BC to the 1200s of our era.
There is some fragmentary written and artistic evidence that Bracco Italiano or its ancestors were already present in Italy already in the 4th and 5th centuries BC. If this evidence is reliable, the variety was first contained by the Romans, either the Etruscans or the Celts, which preceded them on the territory of Northern Italy.
However, this assumption is far from final, and most researchers believe that Italian marriage is much younger. There is irrefutable evidence that the breed existed and was in good demand during the early Renaissance or Renaissance. Experts universally acknowledge that Bracco Italiano was selected precisely at that time, or shortly before its start, in the late Middle Ages.
Hypotheses of the history of the pedigree of the brecco italiano breed
Connoisseurs put forward a large number of different versions regarding how the Italian Pointing Dog was bred, and what varieties of canids were used for its development. One of the most popular theories claims that the breed was the result of a cross of a greyhound type dog with a variety of Malos or mastiff dogs.
Of course, the most frequently proposed variety is Sergujio Italiano, which was bred on Italian lands and probably has been present in this region for at least three hundred years. These dogs are very similar to the Italian marriage and it is possible to hope that these are its closest relatives. It has also been suggested that Bracco Italiano was descended from the progenitors of “Segugio Italiano”, which are thought to have been imported from Egypt and Mesopotamia by the Phoenicians or Greeks.
For selection of the Italian marriage, a variety of Malosian or mastiff-like breeds were used. The most likely candidates are powerful hunters for wild boars or other large game Cane Corso, ancient Malossians, Neapolitan mastiff, English mastiff, Great Dane, and Great Dane. In recent years, a number of amateurs have begun to doubt that the marriage of Italian comes from mixing a greyhound and a malossa. Instead, a version is put forward about the emergence of these canids from the crossing of hounds with greyhounds or mastiffs, but there are suggestions that the breed arose from all three types.
Saint Hubert's Pointing Dog, known in English circles under the name Bloodhound, is by far the most likely candidate, since this species was the oldest and most popular in the application of creating new European breeds. The dog of St. Hubert, especially its old types, is also very similar to the Italian Pointing Dog and probably even more so than any other types of Pointing Dogs. Nevertheless, it is possible that in the selection was used another gundog, and most likely several types.
Why were bracco italiano used?
However, each time, turning to Bracco Italiano, experts come to the conclusion that these are very old canids, and possibly the oldest species in the world. The ancient origin of the Italian marriage dates back to a century before the hunting rifles were invented. These canids were originally used by falconry hunters.
Such cops, using their keen sense of smell, very quickly knew how to find a location or shelter for game. Then, freezing in a certain stance, the pets warned of their find and scared the birds. On birds raised into the air, a falcon was released to catch and kill them. From the very beginning of his career, Bracco Italiano has also been used by hunters who have nets in their arsenal. The beginning of the process of such hunting was exactly the same, only instead of a falcon, nets attacked the birds.
Falconry in particular, and bird hunting in general, were extremely loved by the nobility and popular among the upper strata of the Italian population of the Renaissance. They provided not only a kind of sports entertainment, but also delicacies on the table of the estate of noble blood.
Most of the famous, wealthy families in northern Italy of that period, kept marriages, and the most prominent, were very passionate about the selection of this breed. Perhaps the most notable and famous of them are the Gonzaga family from Mantua and the Medici family from Tuscany, Florence. These canids became famous and popular due to their obedient nature of behavior and extreme hunting talents. After a short period of time, they began to be called "noble."
The Italian marriage was so masterful in bird hunting that it became a very popular and desired pet throughout Europe. The fame of his abilities and character traits spread very quickly thanks to certain segments of the population of diplomacy and influential, wealthy dynasties. It has become a common habit among Italian wealthy families to present marriages as gifts or as part of a dowry to nobles from other European countries. Italy's most successful merchants also included the breed in their valuable cargo.
The impact of industrialization on the marriage of italiano
Bracco Italiano began its rapid proliferation even before the invention of hunting weapons. However, its international popularity has increased in the process and as a result of the development of the breed. Hunting weapons made hunting much cheaper and made it easier to hunt birds, especially those that built their homes on the ground. Game hunting was very popular, especially among European upper classes. This type of hunting has become even more popular because Europe has developed rapidly, and birds need a much smaller land area for their survival than most species of mammals, such as deer and wild boar.
The development of weapons production meant that falcons and nets were no longer needed to capture game. However, the falcon and nets served as a way to capture the birds and bring them to the hunter. Failure to use them meant that hunters needed to search for and carry dead birds. Bracco Italiano was most often used for a tray of game, as well as to determine its location and scare. Over the course of a long time, the breed became one of the oldest (probably the most ancient) universal gun dogs in the world. Such abilities were inherited by the descendants of the Italian marriage, which may explain the popularity of universal dogs in continental Europe.
Bracco Italiano eventually evolved into two unique species, each of which originated in the neighboring region of Northern Italy. The Piedmont Pointer was a native of Piedmont, a mountainous region located in the far northwest of Italy. It is said that these dogs were lighter and slimmer than the Lombard Pointer, both of which are considered to be selected in the highlands of their homeland. Lombard Pointer originated in Lombardy, a populous and affluent region of north-central Italy. Experts say that the Lombard Pointer was darker and thicker than the Piedmont Pointer. It is widely believed that the Piedmont Pointer instilled orange and white in a modern Italian marriage, and the Lombard Pointer showed a brown and white color.
For many centuries, the territory of Italy was divided into hundreds of separate independent states, many of which did not exceed one settlement. This situation created tremendous instability and repeated foreign interference from the outside. This meant that the Italian marriage did not have a large unified nursery club in order to maintain and promote the breed. As in different countries, more and more dogs were imported to Italy in the 19th century, mainly from Great Britain, France and Germany.
Italian hunters began to give preference to these varieties, while the stock of native Bracco Italiano was becoming increasingly scarce.
Development and maintenance of Italian marriage
Luckily for the breed, many individual Italian families have bred these canids for generations, and in some isolated cases for several centuries. These "dedicated" lovers began to decisively preserve the Italian cops. The unification of Italy contributed significantly to such efforts, which led to an increase in nationalism and an increase in the organizational abilities of the population. Soiceta Amatori de Bracco Italiano (SABI) was founded to protect and develop the breed. A group of dedicated breeders and amateurs was led by Federico Delor Ferrabuk, who is widely regarded as the father of modern Italian marriages.
Since the breed abundance was greatly reduced by that time period, SABI made every effort to combine both Piedmontese and Lombard pointers into a single breed with two color options rather than two different varieties. In 1949, the Soiceta Amatori de Bracco Italiano club published the first written standard for Italian marriage in Lodi, the Lombardy region.
The breed subsequently received full recognition of both the Italian Kennel (ENCI) and the International Federation of Cynologists (FCI). The recognition of FCI did not bring a high level of international popularity to the Italian gundog, as it has many related breeds in other countries. Bracco Italiano remains almost exclusively an Italian dog.
At the moment, the situation with the breed in its homeland is quite safe and stable. According to statistical estimates of experts, at present, in Italy, there are at least four thousand five hundred pedigree representatives and about seven hundred puppies are registered annually.
Popularization of Bracco Italiano
This species is now considered one of the most common workers, canine dogs in Italy, and regularly appears on Italian dog sled trials. In recent years, they can also be increasingly seen in the show ring. Bracco Italiano has recently been featured at exhibitions in other European countries, and the largest number are in the Netherlands. In 1989, the first breed representative was imported to the UK.
Over the past few decades, Italian marriage has most often been imported into the Western Hemisphere of the world. A number of these cops were brought to Latin America, where these natives of mild Italy are much better adapted to the local climate than to more severe northern European conditions. However, the variety has become best known in the United States.
Although the number of owners of Bracco Italiano USA is quite small, many of them are extremely loyal to this breed, and it has become a kind of cult of American bird hunting. There are currently two existing breed clubs in the United States: the Italian Club Bracco Italiano (BISA) and the North American Club Bracco Italiano (NABIC). Subsequently, the breed received full recognition from the North American Association of Universal Hunting Dogs (NAVDHA), which devoted its activities to the work of universal hunting dogs.
The entry of Italian marriage to an international level
One of the main goals of BISA is to obtain full recognition of the variety from the American International Association (AKC). In 2001, Bracco Italiano was listed on the AKC International Fund (AKC-FSS), which is the first step towards full recognition.After the breed of the BISA club meets certain international criteria, it will be transferred to the AKC class “miscellaneous” and will ultimately receive full recognition in the “sports group” or in the group dedicated to pointers and setters.
In 2006, the United Cynological Club, the first largest English-speaking organization of dogs, the second largest register of purebred dogs, both in the United States of America and in the world, gave its full recognition of the Italian marriage as a member of the group of "dog dogs." In America, at present, the number of Italian cops is growing, and it is expected that in the near future, Bracco Italiano will receive full recognition from AKC.
Unlike most modern breeds, point dogs from Italy are still mostly kept as working dogs. The vast majority of pedigree representatives are active or “retired” hunters and almost all of their offspring are selected and reproduced purely on the basis of their hunting abilities and character. Every day, an increasing number of breeders appear who prefer to keep the Italian marriage only as a companion dog. The variety copes with this task perfectly, provided that the necessary amount of physical activity is provided.